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In the trash where it belongs.
@the_riviera_kid @marc_eu
I’m curious and suspicious. Why would Vivaldi be left out of this list, and why would someone call it trash? I’m using Vivaldi, and it seems like a very good choice to me.
Not looking for a fight, but would like to know.
I’m guessing it was left off the list because it’s not open source but honestly I was just making a joke.
@the_riviera_kid lol ok got ya. Thought there might be something I was missing. Like, “Why are people bagging on Vivaldi?”
It’s not open source.
@one_old_coder ok, got it. It’s freeware, though? I guess I’m still confused. Are people upset with Vivaldi because the code is proprietary? Doesn’t seem like there’s a privacy risk, it doesn’t use AI, doesn’t use manifest V3… Seems like the best choice. Again, this is just making me curious.
Vivaldi is really good visually and has good features. But the fact that it is closed-source and may not have uBlock Origin is a bad thing. I used to accept black boxes a long time ago when I was starting to write my own programs, but I have now seen all the bad things coming from closed-source applications that I am very careful now.
It’s not more a privacy risk than other applications, but you cannot check or know whether it’s the truth. And what happens when they start to fuck me up because it’s “free” and I have to spend a whole week-end migrating to another browser because the CEO needs more money and starts to do weird stuff with his project?
I may over react, but I have seen bad behaviors for more than 20 years, and I am careful now. If I don’t use it, I avoid 48 hours of technical support trying to find an alternative. Also it is based on Chrome which makes it more restricted for the plugins. Yet another bad thing that I can avoid right now by not using their product.
A summary would be: it’s good (good), but it’s based on Chrome, it’s restricted, I am dependent on yet another company that will switch sides because it technically has no clients (it’s free), and it’s closed-source.
Last but not least, they had a thing in their terms of services which said that they could close your account without warning if you didn’t behave elsewhere on the internet. Another red flag.
@one_old_coder on those are good points. I’m using uBlock origin on it and have disabled ads. I am very much concerned about who might have access to my data, stored passwords, etc. I understand where you’re coming from. I’m not sure if I trust a fork of Firefox if the base is at risk. From what I can tell, Vivaldi and Water/Librefox are all kind of circumventing what Google and Mozilla are doing. Ultimately, the best thing would be to build an entirely new browser, IMO. In the meantime, it’s good to know what the best options are.
Me personally: its chromium based, and doesn’t it have an email client?
I wouldnt call it trash necessarily but… its not my thing.
@darkwolf @the_riviera_kid
Some are fanatic without arguments.
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