How to improve Python packaging, or why fourteen tools are at least tw
chriswarrick.com
A journey to the world of Python packaging, a visit to the competition, a hopeful look at the future, and highlights from a disappointing discussion.

I stumbled upon this while researching package management options for python, and found it a really interesting read.

I like python as a language but this mess is something that needs to be addressed for me to consider python for future projects. I can’t imagine how confusing it must be for new users.

  • Fenzik@lemmy.mlEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    Worth noting the thing that conda does well is handle system-level dependencies, there are a lot more binaries available there (beyond just Python packages) that make it easier to install packages without having to compile C++ code or something.

    Besides that I hate it haha, it makes everything else so complicated

    I’ve also not had great experiences with poetry, it’s supposed to use the lock file to lock in dependencies but whenever I did anything the lock file was always being updated which kind of defeats the point. I’m sure it was user error but the fact that the lock file doesn’t stay static by default is already weird to me

    • stilgar [he/him] @infosec.pubEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      It would be interesting to hear what you mean about the lock file being updated. Many Poetry commands should and do touch the lock, like poetry add or poetry update, but of course poetry installshould leave it untouched.

      • Fenzik@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        But if I want to add a single new dependency, then I probably don’t want all the rest updated at the same time

        • coffeewithalex@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          That can’t be achieved due to dependency compatibility. What if you installed y==1.4, and froze it for a while, and then you install x==3.2, and it depends on y==1.5 or later?

          pyproject.toml defines dependency restrictions, so it will be in accordance with that, but the lock file will change every time you add/remove dependencies. Naturally.

          • Fenzik@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            I don’t find that behaviour natural unless there is a hard conflict or I request it. So I guess it’s just a philosophical difference that led me to having a bad tint with it.

            • qwop@programming.devEnglish
              3·
              1 year ago

              If you use poetry add it should only update what is necessary, and you can use poetry lock --no-update to lock without updating everything.