Jon Skeet? He’s my hero, but he hasn’t worked at MS for quite some time I believe.

This looks interesting. I’d not heard of this before.

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That is a bold ui design for someone saying how bad the web is nowadays.

Though it is a bit reminiscent of geocities so I guess it tracks with the idea that modern software is worse than old software.

I take it you’ve never worked in a MASSIVE enterprise solution, then. I believe OC meant heavy in the sense that it uses more resources than a similar IDE would. Idk who you run into, but pretty much every dev I know is a gamer/builds their own pc. I’ve gotten into debates about which CPU is better than another for specific tasks. I don’t know a single dev who doesn’t know how to install an os.

I… don’t know what kind of junior devs fresh out of freshman CS classes you’ve been meeting, but that’s an incredibly reductive and insulting generalization to make. I don’t even… The VAST MAJORITY of devs don’t know how to install an os? Or what hardware they have? If you work in a large enough solution and don’t know how much RAM you have, then you aren’t complaining to management enough. We finally got them to upgrade us to 32gb, and most of us are already begging for 64. I would also prefer if we split the solution out into multiple solutions personally, but I doubt that will happen soon.

I use Rider for c#. I genuinely despise VS. it takes forever to build, crashes randomly, and it took ages for them to add decompilation debugging without the need of loading symbols. Now that VS has a lot of the resharper tools built in it’s a bit better. I still dislike it and pay for Rider myself so I can use it instead of VS at work.

No problem! That means you get to be one of todays lucky 10,000. They were definitely sought out positions. It did eventually enter common discussion as just a group of tech giants that pay higher than others. That’s why Microsoft was always implied for me.

There were tons of people who’d get a couple years in at one of the major companies and then just use that experience to work wherever they wanted and enjoy themselves. I couldn’t see myself working for one of those companies though. I think it’d be cool to work on some of the stuff they work on, but it seems like the work culture has gone down hill from when Google used to be considered an awesome place to be a dev.

You’re right that it won’t. I will say that I switched from Firefox to chrome when it was still in beta (nobody I talk to ever remembers the “goats teleported” metric). Chrome was way faster. It didn’t handle memory well, but it was the best for me for a long time. The extensions were great.

I just downloaded Firefox on all my devices and I’ve been happy so far. Not as fast as chrome or edge, but gets me closer to leaving google.

It was actually about the stocks. Microsoft wasn’t a part of it because they weren’t “new”. I’m pretty sure Microsoft is actually in the new tech-stock-group.

After it was popularized as a group of tech stocks to buy, people just used it to talk about the biggest software companies, and a lot of devs I talked to (myself included) kinda implied Microsoft when we said FAANG. And while those companies did tend to pay higher than other devs, I think it’s pretty understood that comes with expectations and stress. None of my dev friends would ever wanna work in that environment.

I hadn’t heard of them. That’s a pretty cool concept though. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!