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  • If we prioritize discussion above all else, we’ll get more discussion, but the average quality will go down

    Not necessarily. One must look at the underlying reason(s) for why people aren’t contributing to discussions. If it is indeed that they have nothing of quality to input, and are then incentivized to do so, then, yes, that will cause a reduction in discussion quality. But what if, instead, users capable of producing high quality content aren’t contributing because they don’t feel that their opinion is welcome in the discussion – that they are afraid of being harassed, or ostracized? If these users begin to contribute more, then the quality would theoretically increase. Of course, it wouldn’t necessarily be that simple in practice, but I would assume that it would have a different effect than the former example.

    A lot of low quality discussion isn’t going to attract the type of users that made Reddit great

    I am hesitant to agree that Reddit was consistently producing only high quality content 😜 I would argue that the more likely explanation is that there was a flat increase in volume of content being posted, and the people sorting by new had statistically more good content to choose from. Unless, of course, this is what you are referring to.

    I think better moderation tools is more important than comment and post edit history

    I strongly agree. Not because I personally have any use for better moderation tools, but that appears to be a major, and most likely primary complaint that many people have when they come to Lemmy from other platforms like Reddit.


  • Sure, but then your comment chain doesn’t make sense, or if it’s a post them you lose all the comments.

    I would assume that if there was information that is being redacted, then it would happen very early on in the posts creation – presumably before any comments are even made.

    I disagree

    How come? If you can censor the edit history, then you can’t trust the edit history. Perhaps something that could help was if the edit that was redacted should be replaced with an entry that states something like “This edit was redacted.”. In my opinion, this is inferior to having a persistent edit history, but perhaps it’s a potentially functional compromise.








  • It’s not something I would care about or ever use.

    I think it’s better to look at this not from the perspective of one’s own personal gain, but the benefit that it provides to the site on the whole.

    It comes with significant unresolved problems already pointed out

    Would you mind stating the exact “unresolved problems” that you are referring to?

    it mostly just seems like you want it for reasons of idle curiosity or paranoia.

    I believe that the feature’s existence provides the passive benefit of increasing the average quality of posted content.

    Most importantly, if a lemmy dev already said no, and you aren’t willing to do the work, then it’s dead

    What’s bothersome about that is that the dev didn’t just say that they didn’t want to work on it, they closed it. I completely understand if the dev doesn’t want to work on it personally, but closing it gives one the feeling that future discussion on the topic is not wanted – not to mention that it also greatly reduces its visibility.

    opening a thread about it isn’t a helpful way of fixing that.

    No, but I wanted to have more discussion that what was had on GitHub. I figured that posting about it here would yield a much larger audience, and, perhaps, less biased opinions.


  • It adds nothing to the discussion.

    It wouldn’t technically add content (unless you count the peristant old versions as added content), it provides passive improvement to quality.

    Also, I’m hosting my own instance (for others as well) and the (unoptimized) storage use is already huge.

    What portion of that is text, and what portion of that is media?

    No need to pay for something I don’t really care about.

    Do note that, presumably, were this feature to be implemented, it would likely be able to be disabled on the side of the instance – meaning that your instance wouldn’t store any of the edits itself.


  • I actually don’t think it is required to trust people on a forum in the way you suggest.

    Why not try to improve it though?

    If I was in what I perceived to be a really high stakes discussion (read: flamewar) where I was worried about this, I would take my own measures to ensure I could “trust” the other parties. I would save my own copies locally. Reddit RES had a button you could add client side for just this kind of petty bullshit. If you really want the feature, implement it in your browser/device.

    I don’t really understand the argument hat you are trying to make. You are admitting that this concern is justified, and that there are scenarious where one could be expected to want to take such measures, but you don’t want a feature for this built in. Instead, you’d want a 3rd party plug-in…? I must ask: Why? Also, TIL about Reddit RES. Neat.

    If someone is going to such lengths as to edit their post so it looks like you are responding to something else to make you look bad, it is either: a) a boring joke, or b) they are really pathetic and sad trying to sabotage you. Either way, it’s not the end of the world. If it sticks in your craw, you can just go edit your comment to say “edit: the comment to which I am replied was substantially edited after I posted so what I said no longer applies”. You can either delete what you said, or correct it, or leave it as-is with a caveat.

    The point that I am trying to make isn’t that this is for my own benefit, it is that this sort of behaviour detracts from the quality, and usefulness of the information on this site on the whole. Information shouldn’t be purely ephemeral. The reliable exchange of information on forums is invaluable in the modern age. I couldn’t even hope to count the number of times that I have gone through old forum posts reading people’s opinions, and conversations when conducting research on a topic, or troubleshooting an issue.