The point of federation is to publicly share what you want to publicly share, not to have unfettered access to whatever you want to consume.

Now why am I on Lemmy? Because in my opinion, it’s the first step towards a mainstream Fedivers! Mastodon … [isn’t] very widespread, but when you see the number of people active in Lemmy communities, it’s really impressive!

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Mastodon has an order of magnitude more active users than Lemmy - and the whole rest of the Fediverse - if not two orders of magnitude.

Lemmy’s a great platform, but Reddit is already the niche social media site among the mainstream, and the kind if niche interest forums that ultimately built Reddit just haven’t reached critical mass here yet, and that means Reddit remains very sticky. Pile on people being kind of uncomfortable with the local namespaces for both users and communities, and I don’t know that Lemmy’s really the killer platform for the 'verse.

Fediverse adotion is going to be a collective effort. Loops has a good chance of attracting people. It would be nice if Mastodon would actually use a standard ActivityPub implementation so it played nicer with neighbours. And microblogger discovering something other than Mastodon would be nice.

But it’s not going to be just one platform. If it is, then the fediverse idea has totally failed.

It’s not. It’s obliged to work in the shareholders’ interests. That can mean many things.

The board just chooses to take a narrow interpretation of those interests.

Cool. You… don’t have to use it, or any sites that leverage it. But the Fediverse is an open network, and to that extent it should be able to support everyone’s needs. But if we want the Fediverse to be anything other than an internet enthusiast circlejerk, rather than a backbone technology for the internet, then supporting a wide variety of use cases is necessary.

Yeah, if we want to get people off of centralized, private social media sites, we really need Patreon integration for a range of fedi services. It’s one of the significant pipelines for Discord adoption.

Lemmy/*bin, PeerTube, Matrix, what have you all have immediate drop-in replacement value. Other services, like Mastodon, don’t have the same level of potential segmentation and exclusivity inherent in how they’re built, but it’d be a way to set up paid access servers.

These kinds of gateways are important for actually making the fediverse seem like a viable alternative. Right now, the incentives are driving people toward closed gardens and destroying the open internet.

It’s an accidental misspelling of Kichea, and was my Eve Online character’s first name. The misspelling made it unique for many years, until a kitchen sink company came along and started using it

Discourse has ActivityPub support coming via a plugin, IIRC, so it should be an option for Fedizens soon enough.

@julian@community.nodebb.org is also in the process of adding AcitivtyPub support to nodeBB, and it’s really, really cool seeing a traditional forum UX with distributed users on https://community.nodebb.org.

Every community needs moderators it seems and here it seems they need to be KDE contributors

Those don’t really seem like related skillsets. Community managers aren’t usually asset contributors.

The simple fact of the matter is, the Fediverse is public. It’s a space specifically built on sharing. Finding your posts is trivial, and that’s by design. Blocking another account from viewing your posts is an incredibly weak hurdle for someone to overcome, and it informs them that you have blocked them.

If anything, doing so risks the possibility of escalating or accelerating harassment.

Ooo, is it made by the people I work for? Because this story sounds incredibly familiar to me.

Federated means you shoulder the cost of hosting the bits users care about, while they harvest all the value in what you post!

It’s the whole concept, friend! Welcome to the social we, where independent social media sites cross-communicate

The Misskey forks are definitely the best UX as an end user I’ve tested out. And I found them easier to set up than Lemmy. But I also found that they caused frequent CPU spikes on my VPS.

I’m not sure if Mastodon does that or not, as I didn’t try running it, but I didn’t have the same experience with Akkoma or Friendica.

That said, I found Icefish’s implementation of the Mastodon API a godsend for mobile use.

The community belongs to a website, yes. You’re just subscribing to it remotely.

Lemmy is decentealized in the same way the web is decentealized. You can’t get articles from Blog 13705 if blog13795.net goes offline. That doesn’t make the web not decentealized.

At the end of the day, the whole fediverse is a bunch of independent websites hosting copies of other websites’ content. They’re not cloud communities, they’re mirrors.

Also that – thanks in large part to movements like the Arab Spring using Twitter to organize and publicize – it became the go-to social media for reporters. The news -> celebrity -> news cycle closes itself nicely there, making it very difficult for either group to go anywhere else.

It was ruined long before he touched it

It just made it worse faster

I have first@last.email, and my community rec organization couldn’t even accept it because their system had a hard coded lost of TLDs it would recognize for email addresses.

You can have as many forks as you want, but that’s a software engineer’s solution to a social problem. Lemmy is the “name brand” now for ActivityPub based federated content aggregation, and it will be orders of magnitudes more difficult to get support for forks, both from a contributor and from a user perspective.

Just look at last year’s Twitter migration, and the sea of people complaining about Mastodon not having features they felt were a requirement for adoption, while also ignoring every other Mastodon alternative on the Fediverse that had everything they were looking for.

But that also means we don’t have enough users or content yet.

This may very well be the case currently, but it isn’t necessarily the indicator for such. A critical mass of people using the fediverse can still result in smaller communities due to the local-first nature of the space. If we had 10 million users interested in a given subject, but they’re spread among 2000 communities called ‘interest’ spanning 2000 servers, that’s not actually a problem. That’s a situation where the global ecosystem is rich and lively, but people are still seeing the same names over and over again in their little interest pocket.

This whole comment chain is making me feel sad. And angry. And sangry.