Ha, “fail faster” indeed

Those dead, cold eyes…

Ah, that explains it then. I have not run in 10 years and would not have thought of that.

Yeah I had a similar experience getting mine shipped to Canada, $30 but another $30ish for shipping. I hope one day they are available easier and everywhere.

Yeah, I have updated my firmware and its just fine. Like a lot of this type of development there is not great oversight or up to date documents.

Glad you worked around the spying. I just wanted to give my money to a company that did not start by spying on me.

I have found nothing that worked, was not spying on you, was not some hipster pipedream, and has lots of people working on it. Oh and gadgetbridge seems to work good, what do you mean not supported?

But the pinetime uses the phones navigation/gps. I am not sure what that would do?

They have not made a phone side app yet. That would be the third party I think.

Never owned a Pebble, But I think as they still make the pinetime it bodes well.

Oh yeah don’t get the dev kit, its just the watch bits really. The normal watch is sealed and whatnot, that is the one to get.

Not enough processing on the watch I think. You can look it up on the pinetime gethub (https://github.com/topics/pinetime) somewhere in the mess of projects it is mentioned.

What does not work for you? Other then the one player pong sucking I have had the opposite experience.

There is a lot of stuff people mess with, but with all linux people only some of it is useful or works. Can you side load on old apple stuff?

I use the pinetime as my daily watch now. I got it so I could control my audio book in my helmet while on my motorcycle but it has proven great all around. I use LineageOS on my phone and the pinetime was super easy to set up and use with gadgetbridge. No bullshit, no bloat, and as far as I can see no spying.

The pinephone is not really usable now. The pinetime is awesome though.

It does not track sleep as that would require too much info to be sent to a third party. The battery is insane on it as well I get 5 plus days on mine.

This is a pinetime it looks like.

You should get one, open source and $30.

I ride a motocycle and listen to books in my helmet, I got a pinetime (great btw) so I can control my audio and have gps. Other then gluing a phone to my gas tank (I have done, its not safe or good) there is not really an option other then a watch.

Oh yay, a roadmap. For a hardware device…