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6 months agoSure, everything has bugs and bugfixes are good. It’s just not fair to characterize this entire release as bugfixes and menu adjustments, IMO.
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Are you a KDE user? I switched from Gnome 3 when Plasma 5 was new, the very moment it seemed close enough to finished to expect reasonable stability. It was a huge departure from KDE4, and after trying literally every other DE to find happiness away from Gnome (that’s all I’m going to say about that) over the course of several years, it was such a welcome relief.
Plasma 5 was not only a life preserver for folks bailing from Gnome, it also showed they’d learned from their own mistakes with KDE4, which many users felt was just as much a trainwreck as Gnome 3.
There’s a lot going on under the hood with the change to QT6 as noted, and that alone merits a version number change, IMO. I haven’t tracked a whole lot of specific features, but I know there are a lot of wayland refinements and HDR support coming, and I’m doubtful that the many pointieststick blogposts have been doing nothing but writing about bugfixes and menu changes, even if I haven’t read every single one of them.
The general default look and feel maybe isn’t being radically changed, but this is Linux, and more importantly KDE; we’re all about theming and customization anyway, right?
Most importantly they aren’t throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They did it (intentionally or not) with 4, and then (in my perception) they were forced to do it with Plasma 5 because of KDE4.
After living through the transition from Gnome 2 to 3, and KDE 3.5 to 4, then feeling the relief when Plasma 5 just absolutely crushed it, I’m very happy to see them upgrading the undercarriage and making things generally better instead of building it all from the ground up again.
20·6 months agoPlasma 5 made me a KDE user and fanboy. I am super excited to see what 6 will bring.
KDE team, you rock.
I use Sonixd as the frontend to my Navidrome server, and it’s the bees knees.
You should try Linux because you want to and find it interesting to learn. If you are doing it because other people told you to, you are going to have a bad time.
Linux isn’t Windows with different branding. Things work differently, and if you take the time to understand why you’ll usually see the logic eventually, even if you may not to agree with it. I think folks are bristling a bit at your implication that things are hard on purpose somehow. Many experienced users find the terminal easier to use and more efficient; it shouldn’t shock anyone (including you) that it’s going to feel awkward when you don’t understand it yet.
Howtos tend to use the terminal because it’s likely to work the same for everyone regardless of what other choices they’ve made with desktop environment, etc.
You can do nearly everything with a GUI if you choose.
Both options will install the Mullvad client from the AUR. (If you use an arch derivative, that already tells you some things. If you don’t, then you are missing some context.) The first option will install from binary, the second will compile from source. Which you choose is up to you.
If you blindly chose one over the other because you didn’t know, worst case you end up being impatient if it takes awhile to compile from source.
This is well known and Ernest is working on a passel of fixes, and is really spread thin. I’d suggest tagging him for any bug (new or not) vs reporting an issue via bugtracker is counterproductive, and probably just adding to his stress.
One of us! One of us!
Although I think having to fix a borked bootloader is a good bit of experience, it’s probably not something you are always going to want to spend time on. I have used boot-repair only once, but it was like magic. Just throwing it out there for your future use and a general recommendation. :)
2·7 months agoI get that, but the proper response is definitely NOT “yeah it’s Linux’s fault” just because OP doesn’t look further than that. (Edit: forgot you were OP when I first wrote this. Oops.)
I’m beyond caring if someone takes a superficial look and goes back. Years ago I felt compelled to try saying “hey you didn’t stick with it long enough, let me try to convince you that you’ll eventually see all the other ways its better” now I’m (apparently) the asshole who says, “If you want to use Linux, great, let me know if you need any help. If you want to go back to Windows, the door’s over there.”
The argument “If you want Linux to succeed” no longer holds any sway for me. Linux has succeeded. It doesn’t need every last person who doesn’t currently use it to start using it in order to continue succeeding. 10 years ago we’d never have believed Linux gaming would be where it is today. 15 years ago it was madness to think desktop Linux usage would be as commonly discussed and known as it is today. 16 (edit: 16, not 18) years ago I crossed the threshold where I no longer needed Windows, and a shitload of people have done the same since then. (And a pretty big chunk of people did it before me - when it was MUCH harder to do)
No one who values privacy or actual ownership of their OS and hardware, and doesn’t buy that they have to share control of it with Microsoft (or any entity), is going to stay with Windows for the long-haul, and MS makes that argument stronger and stronger every single year, while desktop Linux continues being refined and getting better and better. Not everyone shares those values, and that’s fine. Plenty do, and we live in a modern era that brings such issues to the forefront over and over again.
So when a random person says “this single game is what made me go back to Windows” I wish them all the best, but when members of the Linux community (or worse, folks who are not) tell me I should be kissing their ass, that pisses me off. (Not saying you are doing so - edit - you kinda are actually)
Edit: apparently it’s not EAC that is the problem. The game has its own anti-cheat which also potentially bans your account if you try to play on linux www.protondb.com/app/2073850
So it’s 100% the developer’s choices that have resulted in this train wreck of a thread.
This created a bad impression about linux for him. If you want linux gaming to grow anticheat compatibility should be a top priority.
The person it needs to be a priority for is the developer, not anyone you are addressing here. If it makes Linux look bad and not the developer look bad, that’s the fault of whoever is choosing not to understand the root of the problem.
I don’t feel the need to sell Linux to someone who isn’t interested or who has already decided they are going back to Windows.
OP didn’t ask for help. OP said “This one game doesn’t work for me, gaming on Linux is a pain in the ass, I’m going back to Windows.” (paraphrasing)
You are not going to convince me coddling those kinds of posts is beneficial to the community.
I’d use BSD or even (shudder) MacOS before I used Windows - and while not everyone needs to feel that way, I reject on its face the idea that the primary goal of the Linux community is to endlessly try to convince people who have decided to go back to Windows not to go back to windows.
I use Linux because I like Linux. I like to interact with people who like Linux. I love to help people who want to learn to like Linux.
If someone looks at the totality of awfulness that is Windows and MS (and i say that as someone who supports Windows on the sever and the desktop) and decides it’s worth it to go back because they want to play a specific game, that’s fine, but I feel no obligation to beg and cajole them to come back, and I bristle at the implication that I, or the community at large, should.
I’m also not going to pretend that a post saying they are doing so is in any way a contribution to the linux community. It’s not. At worst it’s a troll and thumb of the nose as they head out the door, and at best it’s unhelpful, and points the finger at Linux when that’s not where the finger belongs.
Did no one know this game didn’t work until OP posted about it? Did OP contact the DEV to let them know they should do things differently? Has our understanding of the state of gaming on Linux been enhanced in any way? No, probably not, and no.
If you decide to view this as a troll, you should also condone the people who invade Windows-related Lemmy posts just to advocate for Linux.
If someone makes a top level post about it, yes I would, for the same reasons.
If it’s a comment that flows naturally from conversation, I don’t see the problem. (in either case)
But I think you meant condemn, not condone.
Switching back to Windows is just one point OP made, which you decided to focus on.
It’s literally the only point they made. The rest is their justification for that point.
OP should be complaining to the game dev then, not trolling the Linux community about it.
In 2023 we still have folks telling linux uses we have to kowtow to non-linux users?
Someone doesn’t want to run linux, fine. Popping into a Linux community to stick your tongue out and letting folks know you are going back to Windows? That’s no better than a troll. Like those folks who used to make a big post to tell you they were leaving reddit or other forum because someone made them angry. (And I don’t mean the Spez debacle)
ALL the shit that’s awful about MS and Windows is less awful to OP than running Linux. OK. Well, that’s free will.
Some things in life don’t need to be announced. No one is shaking their head in sad defeat right now because OP went back to Windows.
Nothing specific. When I first jumped from gnome I spent probably more than a year going “damn that was thoughtful” or “wow, that’s super convenient” as I discovered different features. As I said, I was an earlyish adopter of Plasma 5, and it was enjoyable just to watch it take shape.
I like what the KDE team does, and I like seeing Plasma continue to get better, so I’m just looking forward to a fresh new release, and discovering all the little niceties.
And bringing back the compiz style cube is pretty nice too. 😁
That’s good to know, thanks!
11·7 months ago“Don’t attribute to malice that which can be sufficiently explained by stupidity.”
I started using Plasma 5 a smidge before devs were saying it was ready for primetime. That was my conversion from Gnome (which I was very happy to leave by then) and it’s been nothing but positive.
I will wait for the full release of Plasma 6, but I’m super excited for it. I still <3 Plasma 5.
Thank you KDE devs!
fwiw in the future you can find out the path to your drives and their uuid if needed with
lsblk -f