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  • You don’t see the wall because you’re in the included group. Unlike Facebook, Cloudflare hides the wall from those they welcome into their garden. If you click on the screenshot on the OP, you can see what the barrier looks like to those of us who are in the excluded group.

    Otherwise I hope you’re not viewing the world through a simplistic “good guys” / “bad guys” lens s.t. those you deem forces of good surely could not be a “walled garden”. The term serves well w.r.t. places where content is published. Restricted access venues: (Facebook, Cloudflare [with restricted access enabled], LinkedIn, Yelp, Quora,…) are not open access. They are walled gardens.

    While #Signal is in fact technically a walled garden, it’s bizarre to bring it up simply because it’s a p2p platform with no public content to speak of. The term doesn’t really serve us well in a discussion of p2p private chat platforms. Although it’s important to recognize Signal:

    • takes an extremely protectionist stance,
    • deploys tactics to push Signal users into Google’s walled garden,
    • threatens lawsuits against projects who attempt to use the same platform (#LibreSignal),
    • excludes people without mobile phones,
    • and is outspokenly hostile toward the idea of federations

    See https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/issues/779

    The exclusivity of Signal’s design and decision making & careless marginalization of classes of people is comparable to that of orgs like Cloudflare & Microsoft.

    A Cloudflare host can leave the walled garden, but steps are needed

    It is possible to configure a CF host with unrestricted access, in which case you could argue those particular sites are not in the walled garden, but that’s relatively rare. And it still requires a hell of a lot of hand-waving on your part because CF algos still override the user settings in some instances.