Well, all developers give each other ptsd, never seen a clean code base in my career. They all turn to shit, because 90% developers don’t care, because it will be someone else’s problem later.

That said, yeah don’t do weird custom code, where you have to keep context in your head to understand the code.

Arch Linux has by far the best community, the support wiki is the most useful wiki to Linux there is, it basically covers everything. Mad props to the arch Linux community.

Stop putting words in my mouth then, you are just trying to force me into a corner, where you feel comfortable arguing from. The world isn’t a binary place

Are you born this way or are you chosing to be this way?

Not that often, but mostly to socialize with friends, 8 bucks for coffee is to much, I avoid those places and go to places where it is about 2€ and spend some on a piece of cake.

But yeah, some people are not that responsible with their money and are willing to buy a coffee for 8$.

No I want the OS that I use and my server to be less prone to security flaws. If you want to call that write rust or gtfo, so be it. But that is your words not mine, I’m more concerned with security

Making coffe at home is always cheaper, that why it’s attractive to sell coffee, I’m guessing that a coffee place buys their coffe cheaper than you, but they pay rent, staff, other bills and take the risk of owning a business.

And the price of coffe has high correlation with it’s availability. No one wants to walk a mile outside of the city center to buy a coffe on their way to work even if it’s 80% price difference, and that is what allowed them to sell cheap coffee for higher prices. But there’s more to it than that, you have different variants of coffee, some like to pay a lite premium to get a more exclusive one etc etc, there is probably a whole science about coffee pricing.

There’s is no other way, C is a security issue - do you understand?

What is so hard to understand, C Is a fucking security issues?

Dude what are you on about, there is no rust programmer that want to teach fucking rust to anyone who doesn’t want learn…

This has nothing to do with C vs Rust, this has to do with security and enabling more people to develop stuff for Linux.

These so called kernel maintainers you see in the conference are only mainting the parts that they use for their filesystem, they are mainting the API, they are paid by companies who have sold support for ext4, xfs or brtfs etc… . Of course they don’t want to make their jobs any harder by learning a new language.

And of course they obfuscate the API with random naming and undocumented usage, because they want to make it hard for anyone else using trying to use the APIs.

If they don’t want to be part of the improvement, then go do something else. Yes rust is better than C for this, because guess what - there are still CVEs being made, because it’s impossible to catch everything with you eyes.

No shit

That was what he was talking about at the conference, he literally asked for help about how things work, so he could write better APIs that they are more comfortable using.

But the response was we don’t want to write rust.

What compromise? Half code should be in rust?

What does this even have to do with rust developers, The language rust gives us the ability to have more compile time checks, and why is that a bad thing. Do you like security issues in your OS because some dev forgot to handle pointers correctly?

There’s no solution, they need not only to accept that rust is going to be part of the kernel but also that it’s a good thing. Otherwise how do you cooperate efficiently.

And also if they are so big brained, should be easy to learn rust then, I mean I’m pretty small brained and I know rust.

Yes and the big heads in this case don’t want to share that knowledge, because why? Because they are treating the kernel like their pet project that they own and control, and they don’t wanna lose that control, rather looking at the bigger picture.

It’s kinda obvious that rust is the way forward as google has clearly shown, so why are they gatekeeping?

No because it is buggy and have a bunch of security flaws.

People are dumb as hell, it’s fucking open source, go maintain the c fork, and let the those who want to improve the fucking shit cve producing codebase make a rust fork. And see which one people will use, and we all know that the rust fork will have wider adoption, it’s a no brainer.

No one is forcing them to maintain the Linux kernel, no one is telling them to stop writing patches, they can’t because you can download the code and work on it as you like.

It’s people who know they will be irrelevant because they spent decades producing shit software, and they can’t even be bothered to learn a new language to improve stability and security for the whole fucking userbase. Give me a break, what a bunch of whiners.