• roofuskit@lemmy.world
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    Good analogy, what happens if Microsoft decided tomorrow that windows was no longer a profitable venture and stopped maintaining it?

    Relying on Chrome and Firefox for alternatives to Chrome and Firefox is still an issue. Especially with Mozilla, if they folded the community would not have the resources to maintain Firefox.

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        When Google will discontinue Chromium as an opensource project (notice that I didn’t say if), all those browsers will survive for half a year and then die due to lack of compliance and security updates. Chromium is incredibly complicated, web protocols are even more complicated, none of that is good, and people are rapidly losing the ability to maintain complicated projects due to LLM-induced mass psychoses.
        The fact that the engine can in theory be forked now doesn’t add much.

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                I’m saying, both basically and extensively, that if you’re using Chromium as your engine, you don’t get to then turn around and tell that your product is a solution to a corporate world and you’re the alternative of evil Google, or whatever the basic spiel of all this endless ad posts here.
                Building an engine is complicated, forking and continuing Google product is more complicated, I get it. Chromium-based products can be good, and I bet most of them are better than Chrome (but then again, hitting your pinky toe at night when you go to pee is also better than Chrome, so low bar). But “the alternative to Google tyranny” they aren’t. You need to at least fork the engine, support it independently, and substantially alter it, even to be considered one.
                So again. My solution as a browser builder is to ask “how much money I have, and how much people I employ”, and additionally, what’s my actual point of doing it, what am I trying to achieve.

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        I kind of assumed you would reply with a lack of understanding of the resources it takes to maintain those engines and keep them complaint with web standards.

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            It’s still a problem. I didnt say we had other options right now. But pretending it’s not a problem isn’t going to fix it. Do you really want to rely on those companies for your browser engines? Mozilla is at least an alternative to Google, but a tenuous one. And Microsoft taking over development of either of those isn’t an improvement.

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            it’s highly unlikely that they will just stop

            It’s like you never heard of Google and their practices.

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                Microsoft (for example) will take over

                If that happen, they fail dramatically, because they already demonstrated how good are they at making a browser, so good they threw away everything the second chromium got on their horizon. And since maintaining other people’s convoluted bullshit is more complicated than your own, their chances will be even lower.

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        Gecko would die the minute mozilla said they weren’t going to maintain it.

        No one is going to pick it up.

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        Pedantry isn’t really an argument, its just pedandtry. Those engines rely almost entirely on the resources provided by Google and Mozilla’s development of their broswers. Open source is all well and good, but those engines are not primarily maintained by the community, they’re maintained by employees at Google and Mozilla.