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    Multiline comments are a bit of an anti-pattern at the best of times.

    If you’re making this as a general statement, it varies from language to language. For example, CSS (and arguably HTML and Markdown) only supports multiline comments, and multiline comments are often used for documentation (as with jsdoc and, though only comments in the same way that heredocs to /dev/null are, Python).

    But yeah, if you actually do this in Bash, wat.

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      CSS (and arguably HTML and Markdown) only supports multiline comments, and multiline comments are often used for documentation

      Those aren’t programming languages. Because, especially in HTML, a line end does not end an instruction and is just for formatting. So single line comments would be very awkward in HTML, so they had to use multi only. And because CSS is meant to be used close to HTML, I think they opt in to the same. JavaScript in example has single line comments again.

      Does any programming language exist that supports multiline comments only without single line comments?

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          Good example, at least historical. ;-) I wonder why they never added single line comments before. I mean it took them quite a long time to do so. Languages before 1960 even had single lines too.

          Edit: BTW it was common in C to write multiline comments to have them look like single line comments too, because that’s easier to read and understand. Maybe that’s why they didn’t feel the need for, because in practical usage it could be replicated. In example as:

          /* Title
           * description
           * variables
           */
          

          This could easily be replaced by single lines as:

          // Title
          // description
          // variables
          
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        Both HTML and CSS (when together) are turing complete, and JSX syntax only supports HTML comments in many places.

        JavaScript having single line comments isn’t really relevant. Multiline comments are in heavy use there, arguably moreso than single line comments.

        Edit: and I should add that “programming languages” is moving the goalpost. The person I responded to didn’t qualify their statement to programming languages.

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          Edit: and I should add that “programming languages” is moving the goalpost. The person I responded to didn’t qualify their statement to programming languages.

          I think from context it is apparent that we are not talking about HTML and CSS (which you brought this up yourself, not the person you responded to). I think there was no need to specify his statement was to programming languages, by context we know it is. Also we are in Programming.dev. What context do you need more?

          • TehPers@beehaw.org
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            TIL programmers don’t write HTML and CSS.

            (I guess if all you use are LLMs to write it, maybe that’s true.)

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              You understand the difference between a markup language to display text with HTML and CSS, and a programming language to execute programs. Right? And this has nothing to do with LLMs. I don’t know why you are in an attacking position for no reason. I didn’t want hurt anyone, just discussing here.

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                I don’t know why you are in an attacking position for no reason. I didn’t want hurt anyone, just discussing here.

                You are being excessively pedantic over a topic that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. I don’t know how you want me to respond to these comments.

                As a reminder, what I was responding to was whether multiline comments are an anti-pattern, not whether HTML+CSS is a programming language.

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                  You are being excessively pedantic

                  I am not excessively pedantic, maybe you are just confused. (This is what you get, if you cant stop attacking personally.)

                  I was responding to was whether multiline comments are an anti-pattern, not whether HTML+CSS is a programming language.

                  Yes, and you brought up HTML and CSS as an example, which I invalidated the example with the given reasons. You was the one bringing up markup languages to programming languages discussion. And I pointed out this is a programming forum, the topic is about programming and the statement can be assumed to be programming related, not generalized across all type of languages (like markup, as you brought it up).

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                    2 days ago

                    Well no, in your pedantry, you’ve failed to actually contribute to the discussion.

                    And while we’re being pedantic, by the most common definition of a programming language, HTML+CSS is Turing complete and therefore a programming language. Again, not that it matters.

                    And I pointed out this is a programming forum

                    Sorry, I didn’t realize you were an admin here and that discussing HTML and CSS are not allowed here.

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          I don’t think that being turing complete means anything in this discussion, because it does not change what the language is for and how its used and interpreted. HTML and CSS are not instructions for the CPU, they are markup languages describing text for humans, not compiling it down to execute machine code for CPUs.

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            Again, the discussion was about multiline comments, not programming languages.

            And regardless of all that, JSX remains one of the most used languages in the world and supports only multiline comments in certain contexts, and JavaScript as a whole uses multiline comments generously.

            The discussion was around multiline comments being an anti-pattern, which is entirely untrue. They just serve a different purpose than single-line comments, and usage varies from language to language.

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              The discussion was around multiline comments being an anti-pattern, which is entirely untrue.

              It is an antipattern in Bash. He did not say that for HTML or JavaScript.

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                Bash doesn’t have multiline comments. Even the article acknowledges this lol. From context, it was a general statement, not specific to Bash.

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                  The entire point was having multiline comments in POSIX shell. So that’s what we are discussing here right? That’s the entire reason we discuss this. Edit: Also as said, this is about programming languages, not markup languages.

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      The fact that CSS only supports multiline comments doesn’t mean multiline comments are good, it means CSS is badly designed.

      • TehPers@beehaw.org
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        It means neither of those, actually, just that CSS supports only multiline comments.

        Multiline comments remain prevalent across ecosystems though (like in JS and Python). If you believe they’re bad there too, that’s fine, but the fact is that it would be an anti-pattern to go against those established standards.