If the allegations about the sexual topics are true
There was Naomi Wu (still don’t know 100% if we can trust her on that), and now there’s Madison. So, if this is true, you can expect more people to speak up in the next days/weeks. If there are many creeps (Naomi Wu was directly incriminating Linus, Madison is apparently incriminating another manager), the facts will eventually come out. Let’s just wait to see who speaks next. Let’s not forget the “Innocent until proven guilty” part of the law. No matter how revolted I am, I don’t want to start witch-hunting anyone, just on allegations.
No sponsor in their right mind wants to be associated with a bunch of grown men sexually assaulting their female coworkers.
This is the thing. LMG already lost a WHOLE LOT of value this week. Tim “Big bald mouth” Holowachuk already did a whole lot of damage with his undeserved dissing, was the straw that broke the camel’s back and led Steve to respond to the dissing with months of meticulously noted facts, and that would have already been an “Oof” on itself. Without anything else. But then Linus “The Magnanimous” Sebastian decided to pitch in, and proudly dismiss most of the valid, rational criticism, while throwing, once more, some poor entrepreneurs who tried to have him feature their product under the bus, after having illegally sold their best performing product. That was even a bigger “Oof”. At that point, Linus was already exposing himself as a liar, who acts in bad faith (nobody would seriously think this would coincidentally be the very first time he does such a thing!?) for business and clout. And then, to drive the nail fully in his coffin, Madison remarked this was the perfect opportunity for her to speak up, and be heard. I think she speaks the truth. Internet has taught me that anyone can be a liar (right, Linus?) and do anything for their own profit or clout, so I would really like to get confirmations on Madison’s allegations; but I still tend to believe her more than not. It sounds legit.
Do we really need the “still don’t know 100% if we can trust her on that”? Where does Naomi Wu have a history of false allegations?
I don’t follow Naomi Wu, so I don’t know her history. Therefore I cannot answer on the second part. But what I can say is: I don’t trust anyone who is part of an abusive, dysfunctional social system literally rendering people insane. The over sexualization of random content has to stop. It’s one thing to find NSFW material if you’re searching for it, it’s another to be constantly spammed with such content.
And the main issue being that she wasn’t quiet about a situation that made her feel incredibly uncomfortable?
When I get uncomfortable, I take a step back, I think, analyze, and find out what I can change so I don’t get in such a situation again. I don’t expect others to magically solve the problem for me. But being entitled comes with the job of “influencer”, I presume.
I mean, the “receipts” were mostly that Linus said she misinterpreted what he was asking for. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t.
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Linus is a fucking creep. He demonstrably lied about so much, this week alone. However, Linus being at fault here doesn’t exonerate Naomi then either. Two toxic people still produce a toxic result, they don’t cancel each other out, it’s not arithmetic.
Part of not being an asshole is not putting our colleagues into situations where they have to think “Is he trying to fuck me?”
Clearly, you’ve not met insane people. I have been around traumatized people, and they were absolutely convinced of me having intentions I never, ever had. Our society is raising lots of men to be creeps, and lots of women to be paranoid, so it doesn’t take much for shit to go sideways.
Regardless: If you don’t think they are valid allegations, maybe just don’t mention them at all? Rather than throwing shade at an accuser? Because this shit is WHY victims of abuse don’t speak up.
Oh, no. Just no.
First off: I named Naomi because she did, in fact, call Linus out, and it might also be true. Me not blindly trusting her (like you apparently do) doesn’t mean I think she’s lying either. I want proof, not drama. And so far, she only provided the latter.
Second, what shade? Me not unconditionally believing everything Naomi Wu says, or said, isn’t “throwing shade”…
Third, and that’s the reason for the “oh no, just no” above: Not only I did not throw shade (and saying it won’t make it true), but leave victims of abuse out of this. You fucking don’t get to use them for being “right” in an online argument. Seriously, that is disgusting. You frankly should be ashamed of yourself.
Well. Good for Madison. Even the incels are rooting for her.
Ad hominem. Thanks for directly admitting you don’t actually have arguments.
And a few notes:
Exonerate her for WHAT?
Exonerate her for witch hunting anyone out of her own paranoia. Linus being toxic elsewhere doesn’t suddenly make logic irrelevant. Proof or gtfo. Don’t expect others to solve your problems. Especially the ones you needlessly created, out of greed.
If you hate someone because they don’t walk around in a burka
Extremist much? So there are only two ways to dress up: a Burka, or showing your mound? Who taught you that, the supreme mullah of Iran?
It’s actually important to realize our society is insanely frustrating people sexually (but I’m guessing you know, given your ad hominem of choice), and that in those conditions, walking around people you don’t know half naked when you look any good, is absolutely irresponsible, and entirely disrespectful.
We’re not in a court of law here. Even then, the standard is “beyond a reasonable doubt”, and that only applies to criminal matters. With civil matters the standard is “the preponderance of evidence.”
Outside of court proceedings, the standard is completely arbitrary and has been since, well, forever.
I do think the Naomi Wu thing was mostly a misunderstanding taken to extremes due to fanbases toxicity (doubt she would’ve outright said Linus wanted her to suck his dick if the stans hadn’t started harassing her, she basically jumped to all out offensiveness out of spite). This, however? Even if she was also being toxic in the workplace, it just means management had been so horrible that toxic behaviors developed with ease and would just spin out of control. This all sounds like they could just not adapt to becoming more corporate oriented fast enough, and the fact that Linus just recently stepped down as CEO is clear proof of this. He should’ve done that years ago.
Very possibly, I also take issues with creators that cheat on content quality using whatever loophole they find (eh Linus?), that’s my reason for not liking her.
There was Naomi Wu (still don’t know 100% if we can trust her on that), and now there’s Madison. So, if this is true, you can expect more people to speak up in the next days/weeks. If there are many creeps (Naomi Wu was directly incriminating Linus, Madison is apparently incriminating another manager), the facts will eventually come out. Let’s just wait to see who speaks next. Let’s not forget the “Innocent until proven guilty” part of the law. No matter how revolted I am, I don’t want to start witch-hunting anyone, just on allegations.
This is the thing. LMG already lost a WHOLE LOT of value this week. Tim “Big bald mouth” Holowachuk already did a whole lot of damage with his undeserved dissing, was the straw that broke the camel’s back and led Steve to respond to the dissing with months of meticulously noted facts, and that would have already been an “Oof” on itself. Without anything else. But then Linus “The Magnanimous” Sebastian decided to pitch in, and proudly dismiss most of the valid, rational criticism, while throwing, once more, some poor entrepreneurs who tried to have him feature their product under the bus, after having illegally sold their best performing product. That was even a bigger “Oof”. At that point, Linus was already exposing himself as a liar, who acts in bad faith (nobody would seriously think this would coincidentally be the very first time he does such a thing!?) for business and clout. And then, to drive the nail fully in his coffin, Madison remarked this was the perfect opportunity for her to speak up, and be heard. I think she speaks the truth. Internet has taught me that anyone can be a liar (right, Linus?) and do anything for their own profit or clout, so I would really like to get confirmations on Madison’s allegations; but I still tend to believe her more than not. It sounds legit.
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That really was a nice and good thing to do. Good lesson.
I don’t follow Naomi Wu, so I don’t know her history. Therefore I cannot answer on the second part. But what I can say is: I don’t trust anyone who is part of an abusive, dysfunctional social system literally rendering people insane. The over sexualization of random content has to stop. It’s one thing to find NSFW material if you’re searching for it, it’s another to be constantly spammed with such content.
When I get uncomfortable, I take a step back, I think, analyze, and find out what I can change so I don’t get in such a situation again. I don’t expect others to magically solve the problem for me. But being entitled comes with the job of “influencer”, I presume.
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Linus is a fucking creep. He demonstrably lied about so much, this week alone. However, Linus being at fault here doesn’t exonerate Naomi then either. Two toxic people still produce a toxic result, they don’t cancel each other out, it’s not arithmetic.
Clearly, you’ve not met insane people. I have been around traumatized people, and they were absolutely convinced of me having intentions I never, ever had. Our society is raising lots of men to be creeps, and lots of women to be paranoid, so it doesn’t take much for shit to go sideways.
Oh, no. Just no.
First off: I named Naomi because she did, in fact, call Linus out, and it might also be true. Me not blindly trusting her (like you apparently do) doesn’t mean I think she’s lying either. I want proof, not drama. And so far, she only provided the latter.
Second, what shade? Me not unconditionally believing everything Naomi Wu says, or said, isn’t “throwing shade”…
Third, and that’s the reason for the “oh no, just no” above: Not only I did not throw shade (and saying it won’t make it true), but leave victims of abuse out of this. You fucking don’t get to use them for being “right” in an online argument. Seriously, that is disgusting. You frankly should be ashamed of yourself.
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Ad hominem. Thanks for directly admitting you don’t actually have arguments.
And a few notes:
Exonerate her for witch hunting anyone out of her own paranoia. Linus being toxic elsewhere doesn’t suddenly make logic irrelevant. Proof or gtfo. Don’t expect others to solve your problems. Especially the ones you needlessly created, out of greed.
Extremist much? So there are only two ways to dress up: a Burka, or showing your mound? Who taught you that, the supreme mullah of Iran?
It’s actually important to realize our society is insanely frustrating people sexually (but I’m guessing you know, given your ad hominem of choice), and that in those conditions, walking around people you don’t know half naked when you look any good, is absolutely irresponsible, and entirely disrespectful.
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I really hope you get better. Sorry about what you had to go through…
| part of the law.
We’re not in a court of law here. Even then, the standard is “beyond a reasonable doubt”, and that only applies to criminal matters. With civil matters the standard is “the preponderance of evidence.”
Outside of court proceedings, the standard is completely arbitrary and has been since, well, forever.
There’s an entire world, outside of the U.S…
I do think the Naomi Wu thing was mostly a misunderstanding taken to extremes due to fanbases toxicity (doubt she would’ve outright said Linus wanted her to suck his dick if the stans hadn’t started harassing her, she basically jumped to all out offensiveness out of spite). This, however? Even if she was also being toxic in the workplace, it just means management had been so horrible that toxic behaviors developed with ease and would just spin out of control. This all sounds like they could just not adapt to becoming more corporate oriented fast enough, and the fact that Linus just recently stepped down as CEO is clear proof of this. He should’ve done that years ago.
Very possibly, I also take issues with creators that cheat on content quality using whatever loophole they find (eh Linus?), that’s my reason for not liking her.