More crutches is definitely a problem. Personally, after vocally refusing to use chatgpt for months, my boss has now sat me down and told me to use it because it “halves his development time”.
My colleague and boss use it constantly. Guess whose job has become mostly debugging their code when they can’t get it to work and don’t know why?
The main issue is that not a lot of companies want and do take the time to train less experienced devs. Every company is expecting new hires to be trained already.
So many new devs need to scrape by with whatever means they have. And it is true is a lot of industries.
College computer programming programs normally do not train people to immediately work, unless the students spend thousands of hours coding on their own. Most comp sci students avoid this.
So, when a new dev graduates and they did not do that extra work, then the first year of paid work is them putting in those hours while being paid rather than doing it for free
People learn to pass tests, and do computer labs. They have hands on experience in several computer languages. But that is a far cry from what is really needed.
Probably most schools give the fundamentals regardless of country.
Can’t tell who has talent until they try to work a lot; often the people who do not code on their own are not very good, period
I think a student should at least do a few hours average work each week on their own projects , regardless of tech stack. It really shows after 4 years.
it’s like night and day between those that do this as a hobby and go to school ; verses the people who pass tests and do group projects in the labs but don’t do anything outside of what is required.
The trend we see in programming is the same trend we see in many sectors. There is a spectrum of skills, and unfortunately, we only talk about the bad programmers and not the good ones.
The reality is that your company probably don’t pay for top skills, so they get what they pay for. The pool of worker is spread thin, so the only thing left is the bad programmer.
So diploma mills churn out a maximum of workers to cash in on the situation.
This isn’t the new generation of devs. This is just new devs. Some people refuse to grow out of this stage.
New devs generally suck, I sucked a lot.
The problem I fear today is that there are more crutches new devs can rely on, until they can’t.
And it’s not a sharp boundary between getting by and not being able to work it
More crutches is definitely a problem. Personally, after vocally refusing to use chatgpt for months, my boss has now sat me down and told me to use it because it “halves his development time”.
My colleague and boss use it constantly. Guess whose job has become mostly debugging their code when they can’t get it to work and don’t know why?
That is very frustrating !
The main issue is that not a lot of companies want and do take the time to train less experienced devs. Every company is expecting new hires to be trained already.
So many new devs need to scrape by with whatever means they have. And it is true is a lot of industries.
College computer programming programs normally do not train people to immediately work, unless the students spend thousands of hours coding on their own. Most comp sci students avoid this.
So, when a new dev graduates and they did not do that extra work, then the first year of paid work is them putting in those hours while being paid rather than doing it for free
I am not in the US, so I cannot compare, but people here that go to college equivalent explicitly learn to code.
When people go into computer science at University, they are decent coders and can do a lot of things out of school.
People learn to pass tests, and do computer labs. They have hands on experience in several computer languages. But that is a far cry from what is really needed.
Probably most schools give the fundamentals regardless of country.
Can’t tell who has talent until they try to work a lot; often the people who do not code on their own are not very good, period
I think a student should at least do a few hours average work each week on their own projects , regardless of tech stack. It really shows after 4 years.
it’s like night and day between those that do this as a hobby and go to school ; verses the people who pass tests and do group projects in the labs but don’t do anything outside of what is required.
The trend we see in programming is the same trend we see in many sectors. There is a spectrum of skills, and unfortunately, we only talk about the bad programmers and not the good ones.
The reality is that your company probably don’t pay for top skills, so they get what they pay for. The pool of worker is spread thin, so the only thing left is the bad programmer.
So diploma mills churn out a maximum of workers to cash in on the situation.
I’ve heard of the term “expert beginners”.