A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn’t even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.

Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.

Just FYI for now. It’s late here so I’ll see how we proceed tomorrow.

  • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    22·
    1 year ago

    cheap excuse. there is nothing to “deconstruct” here. you can implement exactly the same anti-spam measures in a nostr relay.

    i guess your problem is: you dont like competition. when i can host all the content from “your” relay, but with better moderation, then users will prefer my relay.

    i see this stupid mindset all over the “warez scene”. “my release”, “my content”, “my profit”… for fucks sake, you people just as stupid as the people who write copyright laws… the only question is: stupid or evil? scriptkiddie or CIA?

    now you can ban me to prove my point : D

    edit: also, you seem to have a problem with free speech. looking at your modlog, where you ban people for “Misogyny” or “transphobia” or “condescending”. literally, this is worse than reddit.

    • SnowOneKnows@fixate.social
      1·
      1 year ago

      @milahu @db0 my issue with nostr is it seems to be another private “network” while activity pub has issues it at least lets me talk on mastodon/lemmy/kbin and see posts from all those services.

      and I can freely move my account from one instance to another one if needed than migrate back home even.

      and for privacy in small groups you can even implement your own peer to peer encryption so DMs remain private between trusted sources.

      • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        2·
        1 year ago

        my issue with nostr is it seems to be another private “network”

        no need for speculations (“seems”). just read the intro https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr and visit some public frontends like https://iris.to/ or https://snort.social/ or https://nostr.ch/ or https://nostribe.com/ … or other clients https://github.com/aljazceru/awesome-nostr#clients

        while activity pub has issues it at least lets me talk on mastodon/lemmy/kbin and see posts from all those services.

        posts on activitypub are not even signed… the only advantage of activitypub is more users, more content. but quantity is a poor indicator for quality.

        its possible to create aggregating clients to “bridge all the networks”, or to use bridges https://github.com/aljazceru/awesome-nostr#bridges-and-gateways

        • iSharted@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          1 year ago

          I like the idea of nostr, but is there a fork around to avoid the stream of cringe bitcoin talk? I think this would be ideal for something like high speed discord, more than a twitter replacement.

        • Océane@eldritch.cafe
          1·
          1 year ago

          My main concern with nostr is that it’s developed by a man who’s abused me for 8 years without even knowing I existed, so discussing about specs or clients is missing the bigger picture (basically tech bikeshedding).

          • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            22·
            1 year ago

            My main concern with nostr is that it’s developed by a man who’s abused me for 8 years without even knowing I existed

            aah, more of that emo rhetoric. go file a lawsuit.

            the beauty of nostr is: anyone can run a relay, so you and your emo friends can make a “safe space” relay, where all “hate speech” is censored.

            tech bikeshedding

            comparing two protocols is no bikeshedding.

            • Océane@eldritch.cafe
              12·
              1 year ago

              You clearly have no idea of what you’re talking about, so you’re resorting to personal insults. Your behavior is completely coherent and thus, not surprising or disappointing in any way. You’re just an asshole.

              I’ve repeated year after year, and been exposed to a domestic predator because of Twitter. I’m still depressed and I still can’t manage my money and my time properly because of Twitter. I’ve stayed in the closet for another decade because of Twitter. You don’t even know the beginning of what you’re talking about. You don’t even know what’s a dispositive of power, or even the face of the most famous French philosopher having dedicated his life to write about power.

              You’re just an ignorant.

              Yes, it’s tech bikeshedding _because_ you’re restricting the conversation to tech and protocols. As far as I know, there’s a 50/50 chance you don’t know what an affordance is, and you’re going to lecture us about how easy it is to run a relay. This isn’t the topic at hand. The topic at hand is that you wouldn’t trust Dorsey if you gave a shit, and I assume we do, so shut up.

            • Océane@eldritch.cafe
              12·
              1 year ago

              @milahu You clearly have no idea of what you’re talking about, so you’re resorting to personal insults. Your behavior is
              completely coherent and thus, not surprising or disappointing in any way. You’re just an asshole.

              I’ve repeated year after year, and been exposed to a domestic predator because of Twitter. I’m still depressed and I
              still can’t manage my money and my time properly because of Twitter. I’ve stayed in the closet for another decade
              because of Twitter. You don’t even know the beginning of what you’re talking about. You don’t even know what’s a
              dispositive of power, or even the face of the most famous French philosopher having dedicated his life to write
              about power.

              You’re just an ignorant.

              Yes, it’s tech bikeshedding _because_ you’re restricting the conversation to tech and protocols. As far as I know,
              there’s a 50/50 chance you don’t know what an affordance is, and you’re going to lecture us about how easy it is to
              run a relay. This isn’t the topic at hand. The topic at hand is that you wouldn’t trust Dorsey if you gave a shit,
              and I assume we do, so shut up.

        • SnowOneKnows@fixate.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          @milahu I have looked at the bridges and the use still tends to create errors for the encryption I have always supported that users should be taking the initiative and using GnuPG encryption for sensitive messages on all platforms so your not relying on any one else’s use of data.

          So I know it started with crypto being the push for this one can you tell me if it is still heavy into cryptobro hype?

          • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            2·
            1 year ago

            obviously bridges are lossy: nostr events are arbitrary JSON objects, activitypub messages are markdown text. both transmit events as JSON objects, but with different structure. for lossless transmission, you would have to use one protocol as framing protocol, ie, send the message as attachment.

            can you tell me if it is still heavy into cryptobro hype?

            what?

            https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cryptobro

            (slang, sometimes derogatory) An enthusiastic cryptocurrency supporter, usually male, especially a dogmatic, condescending one.

            not really, nostr itself is not a blockchain, because a blockchain is not space-efficient. some instances support lightning (bitcoin) payments, so you “upvote with money”. (personally, i would prefer monero or zerocoin, but that can be implemented later.)

            in nostr, all messages/events are signed by default. in activitypub, signatures are optional (https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/nomadic-identity-for-the-fediverse/2101), which means that most users will not use them. signatures are required for replication across multiple relays/instances. without signatures, i have to trust the relay admins.

            hype: a nostr client (damus) is banned in china. nostr is supported by Jack Dorsey (ex twitter CEO) and Edward Snowden.

      • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Have you ever listened to an argument — perhaps it was generously titled a ‘debate’ by the participants — wherein each and every manoeuvre attempted by either of the participants amounted to little more than the attempt to assert one’s ego, show off one’s supposed knowledge and dominate the other in a flashy display of rhetorical proficiency? These are the debates to which we can barely listen for more than ten seconds without rolling our eyes and beginning to tune the combatants out, because this is precisely what they are: fighters, in the ring, trying to barbarically destroy the other person for personal glory and the vindication of a childish sort of rivalry founded on the belief in the superiority of oneself. It is, in many ways, rather pathetic to witness.

        what? of course im fighting to win, because i have the technical skill to see how nostr is better than activitypub.

        obviously you are fighting to protect your fragile public image, to keep your stupid followers, who lack the technical skill to see quality.

        your rhetoric:

        • “everything is fine”
        • “its complicated”
        • “that other thing is shit”, “misguided”, “wishful thinking”
        • “i dont need to convince you”, “i dont have time”, “ask someone else”
        • you ignore fundamental problems like vendor-lockin, abuse of power, the overblocking of free speech that you call “moderation”

        all in all: a perfect reddit moderator, but definitely no alternative to reddit. as i said, just “more of the same” reddit abuse-of-power mainstream bullshit. byee!