Can we install this on PC yet? Sick of windows and all I do in my desktop is gaming via steam
Probably, but this is more likely Windows being shit on lower end hardware, doing a lot of background crap that has no place on a handheld gaming device.
You… can just install the steam client on just about any Linux distro?
Just install Bazzite on your PC
I thought that was a porn site… Never mind 😁
Isn’t it just a stripped down arch variant?
I’ve been running a restore image for a few months and it’s great!
SteamOS massively beats Windows
Linux massively beats Windows
History has been made.
Gasoline massively beats molasses in cars.
Dave’s got a lot of mileage out of that video. Famous overnight essentially! Seeing this type of article everywhere
I didn’t know you could beat windows, I thought it was a weird open world game.
Windows is a strange game. It seems the only winning move is not to play.
Much like another game, that we just lost.
At some point in the future I’ll come find you and remind you of what you took from me.
It’s a date!
That’s what that Mountain Goats song is about!
The evil of Microsoft is too great to resist. The only way to win is to deny it battle. And something about candles and cooking.
This quick video from The Phawx seems to show that the battery performance difference isn’t actually inherent to Windows, but rather that the GPU drivers don’t throttle down the TDP when they should.
Windows has plenty of other issues but it seems any frustration about this specifically should be pointed at AMD.
Amd makes the drivers for both Linux and Windows brotha… So Microsoft wasn’t able to fix something the open source community in collab with amd could?..
I don’t know the business negotiations of all that. But if you watch the video, Phawx basically uses one single command to lower the wattage on his Windows handheld and instantly triple the expected battery life. The underlying OS clearly supports it. Seems to me like the AMD driver just isn’t detecting that the game has light power needs and so isn’t throttling like it should.
As someone who does understand the business negotiations and software implementations, you have some of the issue correctly diagnosed but you’re placing the responsibility on the wrong person lol.
Ok, glad to be wrong there and more than happy to blame Windows then. I ditched it completely a couple years ago and I’ve been enjoying Linux gaming ever since.
I mean that’d be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general or the Legion Go S specifically. I don’t. How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn’t support those? Then it can fuck off (for now).
I mean they’ve done a good thing in general but it requires such special hardware that it doesn’t really deserve much praise. The whole attraction of Windows originally wasn’t just “it has a GUI” it was, "I can buy a printer that works with Windows and a piece of software that works with Windows, and know that I will be able to print from that software, and so forth. Without that level of hardware support, SteamOS just isn’t that exciting. Again, “Yet”.
😄 I actually think that is a fair point you make. I am waiting patiently for a full version that I can install on a living room pc. So for me there is also no immediate benefit, yet, as you put it. I still see the development very positively!
As someone who has seen Linux as “almost there” for about 25 years, I am cautiously optimistic.
Funny you say that because printers work on Linux out of the box whereas on windows you need to hunt for drivers…
I mean that’d be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general
It kinda sounds like this isn’t a product for you, then…and that’s fine, but like, why comment haha.
But then how would we hear about this person’s valuable opinion? Do you want to live in a world where they don’t share their ambivalence toward SteamOS and handheld gaming? God knows I don’t. Thank goodness for this comment and I hope to hear more of their opinions on products they don’t use it have interest in.
Because it would have gone unnoticed if it was posted in a thread about how good windows is (those exist, right? Eh, right?) and wouldn’t have gotten all this attention.
I will never understand this need for being noticed.
Problems communicating an underlying desire to have a faster alternative to windows. Defaulted to anger and frustration
How about you pull that 5 foot pole out of your Ass and actually use a Linux Distri made for you usecase?
Its like if id have installed fucking gentoo and cried about it not being ready to go
Did you enjoy having to park cores on your 7950x3d when you want to game? That was a very plug and play behavior from windows /s
Bazzite works great on desktop. Really not that different.
Nobody owes you shit
SteamOS on desktop is not a supported use case. SteamOS is not windows.
How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn’t support those?
Hmmm maybe I’m missing something but doesn’t Steam work on these? Doesn’t Proton work on these? Doesn’t KDE Plasma work too? Basically what’s missing for you to consider it working if arguably the most important do work on it?
Asking as I use those 3 daily on my Debian desktop and… it just works. Anyway, back to play Clair Obscur, thanks a lot to Valve.
Installing SteamOS on other devices
We are continually working to improve compatibility with other devices. Currently, expanded support includes devices with AMD hardware and an NVME drive, targeted toward handheld devices. Please note, support for all devices that is not officially ‘Powered by SteamOS’ is not final (currently anything that is not a Steam Deck or Legion Go S)
I’m not sure if it would actually work, but steamOS isn’t the same as steam. I’m assuming it’s mostly just a matter of what drivers are included by default.
steamOS isn’t the same as steam
That’s precisely why I said " Steam work on these? Doesn’t Proton work on these? Doesn’t KDE Plasma work" rather than just Steam.
IMHO the biggest component of the whole setup isn’t Steam itself (which is convenient to get games, manages saves, etc) or KDE Plasma (which is a nice UI) but rather Proton. None of that would work without the compatibility layer and it goes beyond Wine including thanks to all the community feedback from e.g. ProtonDB.
So I agree, SteamOS isn’t Steam but that’s anyway not what I suggested.
How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn’t support those?
So I agree, SteamOS isn’t Steam but that’s anyway not what I suggested.
Sure, but the person you quoted was specifically talking about steamOS. You bringing up steam/proton/kde plasma was out of place.
Please explain what you believe are the core constituent of SteamOS if they are not Steam, Proton and KDE Plasma?
4090
Mind you that SteamOS doesn’t support Nvidia GPUs.
How much better does Linux play Fortnite?
oh
I know you’re just trying to bait folks, but I think you can play it on Linux using Xbox cloud gaming.
It isn’t bait, more of a reminder that no matter how many indie games run on Linux, Fortnite, the most popular shooter on earth, doesn’t, and it will forever be a band-aid of cope to say “stop playing shit” every time someone brings it up.
People are basic and dumb, they love shit.
No shit? Guess I’ll stay with Windows.
Who knew people so used to shit would want to continue enjoying it?
I think it’s important to realise that Fortnite doesn’t run because it’s being actively prevented to tun on Linux by Epic, not because it couldn’t run. It’s not really fault of the Linux.
Most AAA games run on Linux, it’s mostly the anti-cheat ones that refuse to enable Linux support that don’t. Sadly, there’s nothing Linux devs can realistically do to fix that, it’s something the devs need to do.
I try to mention this caveat in most “Linux > Windows” threads. It’s important to know what works and what doesn’t, and why.
I don’t think Fortnite is shit. I’ve never played it, but I have to assume it’s popular for a reason. Frankly, I think it would be great if it did run natively on Linux. The more options people have to play the games they want, the better. As Linux gaming continues to become more mainstream, developers will continue to take note to ensure compatibility.
Yeah, it isn’t shit. It’s not the type of game I like, but calling it shit is delusional. Getting it working on Linux would be great.
People still play Fortunate? My keyboard’s autocorrect isn’t even aware of it.
99% of games work on Linux, the 1% that don’t happen to be all the major multiplayer games people acturally want to play
the 1% that don’t happen to be all the major multiplayer games people acturally want to play
Whats this suppose to mean? That 1% just tells Linux users that the developers & publishers simply don’t care enough about their product.
void antiCheatTest() { if (system.OS == “linux”) tellUserToGetFucked(); }
Pirated are a pain tho, I gave up on my daily drive Linux after trying to install a Fitgirl repack on it, then I just realized installing W11 was faster.
I still use Linux every day for work tho
Fitgirl repacks are broken and have been for a while. Dodi repacks work fine.
Massively?
Yeah there’s improvements, battery and performance wise
There’s nothing massive here there is a decent bump in specifically the cyberpunk fps
Edit: geez this single comment brought more people out of the woodwork to respond to me than anything else I have commented on lemmy
I’m not even here arguing which one is better like come on now
Massively is the wrong word to use it’s that simple
About 10% fps bump and even bigger battery life improvement at the same time borderline justifies the title in my book
When it comes to battery life, SteamOS was yet again a very clear winner in this with even demanding titles like Cyberpunk 2077 having 1 hour 31 minutes on Windows and 2 hours 6 minutes on SteamOS. In less demanding titles like Dead Cells the difference is absolutely insane jumping from 2 hours 47 minutes on Windows to 7 hours 8 minutes on SteamOS.
Yes. Massively. And I don’t know why you’re doubling down on being wrong.
12% faster with anywhere from 34% to 320% better battery life, and $130 cheaper is massively better, especially on the exact same hardware.
The difference is astonishing, tbh. I’d have expected a negligible difference.
Massively better was completely correct, and you are wrong to state otherwise. It’s that simple.
You care so much about glorifying linux everything else falls away.
In one specific game the battery life is much much better. In that one specific use case the word “massive” is used aptly.
All the other minor improvements are just that minor. Bud you saying that I’m wrong doesn’t make me wrong.
And of course the vice versa applies.
How I KNOW this is not a normal discussion… Who the hell brought up price? Certainly not me
Please continue to talk about random shit I never mentioned. I don’t care. you do you
I’m not glorifying shit, I’m just pointing out how very, very wrong you are.
A 12% performance boost on average, simultaneously with a battery life improvement of up to 320%, requiring nothing but a software change is massive, especially not when that software is free.
Who the hell brought up price? Certainly not me
Are you purposely being a clown? I brought up price, because it’s relevant in comparing two things.
Why are you so butt hurt that SteamOS is massively better on some handheld you probably don’t even own? Why are you so hurt by this news?
An improvement of 5-10 fps doesn’t seem like a lot, but it’s like buying a newer gen graphics card, at least for some games. Or what you would achieve with a medium to substantial overclock. In this case it’s just the OS though. Just the software.
You care so much about glorifying linux everything else falls away.
What else? Nitpicking at the use of words in news articles?
What I’m personally more skeptic about is the actual numbers. We don’t have benchmarks. We just have this one table that shows fps, and no 1% and 0.1%s.
My nitpicking or did I say the word massively isn’t really applicable here?
It’s really been interesting to read all the comments here. People here are very personally invested in their OS of choice on their gaming handheld.
I mean we see the whole gamut here that stickman argument talking about things I never mentioned, etc etc etc
My nitpicking or did I say the word massively isn’t really applicable here?
So, you wanna nitpick at that too? Fantastic
I mean we see the whole gamut here that stickman argument talking about things I never mentioned
There is no fucking way you aren’t just a troll. Because we’re on Lemmy I usually assume best intents, but all you have been doing so far is talking shit.
I don’t find arguing semantics to be very productive, which I think is the reason you are being downvoted. The differences between SteamOS and Windows on the Legion Go are very significant, with SteamOS gaining as much as hours of extra gameplay, in addition to modest performance gains and major improvements to usability and quality of life. And yes, the Windows tax is very much a part of the big picture even if it’s not mentioned in the article. With Windows preloaded, you are paying $100-200 more for a significantly worse product. I don’t see any reason to engage in Windows apologetics over this, especially here.
I’m sorry who is engaging in windows apologetics? Not me frfr
only one proselytizing anything here is you, bud.
and you seem to be proselytizing for windows with how insistent you are to try to handwave and rugsweep the increases in performance and usability
Buddy get over yourself. Geez, it’s so clear that people just love the mobthink around here regarding Linux.
Feel free to take a second look at any of the comments I made in this thread and tell me how many of them are regarding windows. Literally all of the other comments/commenters have been bringing up windows and 20 different things I never mentioned.
Also I’m pretty sure you don’t know what that word you use twice mean so here’s the definition.
I NEVER advocated for you or anyone to use windows over steamos. I just said the improvements weren’t massive
Buddy get over yourself
Buddy. Look at your behavior in the thread. You have multiple posts getting super offended and pissy over a news article about large gains in linux over windows for that hand held device.
Only one that needs to get over themselves is you.
As far as I can tell, no one has accused you of promoting Windows over Linux, but please feel free to correct me if I missed something.
I think the flak that you have been receiving is based on your perceived attitude, whether or not that perception is accurate. Many, perhaps most people in this thread, myself included, think that 10%+ FPS improvements can be accurately described as “massive.” You can absolutely disagree in a reasonable and good faith manner.
My understanding and perception of your responses is that you not only disagree that the outlined improvements can possibly be described as “massive,” but also that anyone who claims otherwise is a blind Linux shill, doesn’t understand the definition of the word “massive,” and is suffering from mob mentality.
Countering the argument, and not the messenger (e.g Buddy get over yourself. Geez) is a much more effective way to express your point.
I think you just don’t understand or have a frame of reference for performance numbers.
Massive is the right word.
A simple OS shift and you are looking at a more than generational improvement in performance, and a multi generational improvement in battery life: massive.
I get that you might not be into these kinds of numbers enough to know what you are talking about about, but maybe refrain from commenting till you develop some context.
I mean, there is a bit of hyperbole here, the FPS aren’t that impressive - but the battery life improvements are I think more in the ballpark of “massively”
Massive is a bit of hyperbole yes but gaining on battery and performance just by putting in the system is a lot remember that Steam OS also more configurable so it has more room to improve.
If that’s not telling anyone with a surface level understanding that windows is shit nothing does.
Improved in every category for the games tested, most results in 2 digit improvement while costing $130 less… that’s massive by almost any angle you can frame it…
It’s insane to me that we’re disagreeing about the word massive. Rather than simply using it as the English definition…
We’re using the hype culture definition of massive. Bro get over yourself. The improvements are NOT massive, fps or battery wise.
They are better and possibly even TONY THE TIGER GREAT. Massive is the size of your mom’s ass, not these gains based on a different OS.
Also I respect all mothers but I couldn’t help but use a dumb joke to make my point.
And last but not least… Go make this argument about price and or Linux to anybody that needs convincing. Because it’s not me man. I have a Linux rig. I also have a Mac OS and a Windows (gasp) 11 laptop because i code, make music, and play games. Sometimes I just browse the web for fun
By the way guess which OS is least compatible with the many different softwares I use for these purposes? It’s Linux.
I mean, it’s pretty clear that you are just dummy wrong.
It’s pretty clear that talking to you is useless.
You’re not gonna make me bad by calling me names lmao.
It’s pretty clear that talking to you is useless
Indeed. You do seem to struggle with differing opinions, as well as the definitions of words, like how you struggle to understand there’s a massive difference in performance between Windows and SteamOS on this handheld.
I think it’s all a matter of perspective.
In absolute terms, these differences aren’t very significant (with maybe the exception of the 2 hours to 7 hours battery life improvement in that one specific game). But in relative terms, especially when considering that these games are not native to Linux, that these degrees of improvement typically only happen after a hardware upgrade, and that these improvements are available on the same device as the Windows version, but for $130 USD cheaper, it all adds up to something significant. In my opinion, the word “massive” is appropriate.
I’m sorry to hear that Linux has been the least compatible for your uses. It’s certainly not for everyone, but you at least have a plethora of alternative options at your disposal. I don’t understand why you’re making such a big deal about the manner in which other people are describing these improvements when clearly none of this applies to you.
Btw I love Linux
I just think a lot of the discussion here gets lost because of the memes I guess?
Okay that’s fair. I disagree with the word “massive” being used here but that’s my right to do so etc etc.
To better answer your question: (stream of thought consciousness narrated into my phone so be forewarned)
Because I never brought price into the equation but other people love to start moving the goal post when all I said was massive is not the right word here.
It’s absolutely your right, and fine to disagree with the usage of the word “massive” in this context. It’s not OK to insult people who disagree with you however.
It’s OK for people to have differing opinions, and your initial comment was a good discussion starter. The edit complaining about it causing said discussion, saying “it’s that simple,” the subsequent post stating that you believed your opinion on the matter was the absolute truth based on the dictionary definition of the word “massive,” and that any disagreement was insane in your opinion, is where I take umbrage. I hope you can see where I’m coming from.
I’m sorry that your comment has ultimately driven such a negative response, and I hope you are able to have a good day regardless.
I don’t believe I edited any of my comments today but maybe I guess? In that same vein, did I say anything like “it’s that simple”. I did go back and read my comments just to be sure etc etc. I of course believe I’m correct (5-10% average performance/battery gains) don’t count as massive.
We were talking about performance but now price is part of the package for some reason?
So many people responded to me and at least half of the responses had to with price and how that’s massive!!
Anyways nah it’s all good. It was annoying as heck earlier. But then I logged off lol. North worth the hassle
Cool beans, I hope you’re having a nice evening by this point.
It’s massive because of context. Massive is inherently a comparative term. Something can’t be large or significant unless something else is small. Here the context is performance gains (in comparison to other forms of PC gaming) constrained by 1) being on exactly the same hardware 2) a sizeable price difference between the two options.
Here the performance gains are 10+% for a device which costs more than 10% less. The size of the performance gains in the handheld market would otherwise need you to buy a new handheld, and those fps increases would demand spending at least a few hundred bucks on a new GPU.
So massive performance gains with the implied context is absolutely true.
I was referring to this specific edit to your initial comment:
Edit: geez this single comment brought more people out of the woodwork to respond to me than anything else I have commented on lemmy
I’m not even here arguing which one is better like come on now
Massively is the wrong word to use it’s that simple
While I personally think that an average of over %10 FPS improvement in itself qualifies as massive in the current landscape, reasonable minds can absolutely disagree of course. The inclusion of price is just another layer of advantage, only bolstering the “massive” overall improvement.
I have been having a nice evening so far, thank you, and I hope you’ve been having the same.
The response here is mild and some people are agreeing with you
To be completely honest, I am a little annoyed about all the people bringing up price.
… yo I agree too but we’re talking about performance here not price.
And saying that the price being free adds to the word “massive” being used aptly is just kinda dumb for real.
Anyway I’m going to turn off notifications for this comment. You’re correct that I’m probably being extra here. Well, you implied it but it’s true. It’s just like people don’t want to converse man. Thought we came out here that this part of the internet because we could actually talk about things, not say “no u”
and I’m definitely frustrated that I’ve been making comments for quite a while and the most engagement is when I barely say something not even negative about Linux.
Idk man. Have a nice day
To be completely honest, I am a little annoyed about all the people bringing up price.
Well I’m so sorry you’re offended (not really), but price is relevent when you’re comparing products.
saying that the price being free adds to the word “massive” being used aptly is just kinda dumb for real.
Again, you’re just so wrong.
If product A is better than product B, that’s bad enough. If product A also happens to be free while product B costs over $100, then that’s extremely notable and should be brought up in a comparison.
Maybe it’s your line of thinking that’s just kinda dumb for real?
It’s just like people don’t want to converse man.
You’re such a victim. Oh wait, it’s you that started being hostile and dismissive. You’re the one who doesn’t want to have a respectful discussion, and when you talk like that, you shouldn’t expect people to treat you nicely in return.
I can understand where you’re coming from. Sometimes people do pile on over silly things. It sucks to self-censor but I think I’ve learned just to stay quiet on a lot of the topics people will jump on me for. The worst is when people will accuse you of holding horrible bigoted views because you make a comment about how something in a post or comment isn’t exactly true. Any dissent = black and white judgement sometimes. The internet is way worse than it should be…
I don’t particularly enjoy the downvotes people get on here for dissenting opinions. I liked the old school Reddit mentality of “if it adds to the discussion”.
Any dissent = black and white judgement sometimes.
I was trying to say the US Dems aren’t the same as the Republicans. I did state I didn’t like them either and listed something Biden did that’s good. Someone accused me of defending genocide and a plethora of other things afterwards.
From what I can tell, at least in this specific instance, aubertlone has only received downvotes for comments they made that were directly attacking or insulting those with differing opinions from themselves. I believe their initial comment before the edit did add positively to the discussion.
I can’t speak to the second part of your comment, but I’m sorry to hear that you received that response to your opinions.
Oh – yeah, anything but advocating for opposing democrats at all costs is “defending genocide” to a large population of lemmy. It’s pathetic.
Which one is cheaper?
Does it being cheaper makes the performance difference bigger?
But just to be clear, it’s completely free and it performs better?
Yes, but nobody was arguing against that.
I have to agree, it’s better but not really massivley so.
Title Legion Go S - SteamOS Legion Go S - Windows Cyberpunk 59 FPS 46 FPS Helldivers 2 70 FPS 65 FPS Doom Eternal 75 FPS 66 FPS Spiderman 2 63 FPS 64 FPS Witcher 3 76 FPS 66 FPS 12% faster on average, with anywhere from a 30-320% battery life improvement.
Just from a software change.
That is massive. You’d usually need a hardware upgrade for an improvement like that.
That’s still an average of over 10% FPS gains overall. Similar improvement to a new GPU generation, but on the same hardware. Sounds pretty massive to me.
and 20% in a couple. That’s pretty massive considering we’re talking about the exact same hardware.
Title Legion Go S - SteamOS Legion Go S - Windows Difference Cyberpunk 59 FPS 46 FPS +28% Helldivers 2 70 FPS 65 FPS +7% Doom Eternal 75 FPS 66 FPS +14% Spiderman 2 63 FPS 64 FPS -2% Witcher 3 76 FPS 66 FPS +15% Anything above 5% is significant, 10% on the same hardware IMHO classifies as massive
10% FPS gain, huge battery savings AND costing $130 less… that is massive
