A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn’t even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.

Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.

Just FYI for now. It’s late here so I’ll see how we proceed tomorrow.

  • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    31·
    1 year ago

    This is not a simple problem to solve and it exists nowhere online.

    it is a solved problem. there are multiple implementations of the nostr protocol. nostr is newer than activitypub, so its less mature, but certainly a better foundation to build upon, ie more future-proof. nostr is similar to bittorrent: anyone can seed my content, and recipients can verify my content with my public key.

    The fediverse however affords at least way more control than reddit or any forum where they can do the same and you have no options whatsoever

    more control for admins, but not more control for users. i trust nobody, no admins, no moderators. sure, there are ways to archive and replicate an activitypub instance (just like reddit/twitter/facebook), but it is not a fundamental property of activitypub.

    conspiracy ahead: these federated tools (activitypub, matrix chat) are “popular” because they enable censorship. nostr is promising censorship-resistance, but its not quite there yet.

    • code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
      31·
      1 year ago

      You’ve sold me on nostr as a protocol, and the importance of nomadic identities more generally. Thing is, I don’t and have never used twitter, or any simililar platform, since I’m not really interested in that model of content consumption. (User/follower based)

      I’m much more interested in group/community based models, like lemmy/reddit, and conceptually even futaba/chan style imageboards where users can create their own boards (though I have yet to see one that isn’t a cesspit).

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      I checked nosr. It’s very misguided. It’s anti-spam strategy is wishful thinking. I wish them best of luck, but my belief is that it will crash and burn due to trying to fix something unfixable.

      • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        21·
        1 year ago

        It’s anti-spam strategy is wishful thinking.

        huh? relays can choose to block content.

        my belief is that it will crash and burn due to trying to fix something unfixable.

        abuse of power is fixable through nomadic identities and signatures. your lemmy instance will “crash and burn” when you decide to pull the plug. its funny to watch people trying “more of the same”, naively hoping for the best with every iteration.

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          relays can choose to block content.

          This is so naive I don’t even know where to start. But it’s ok, I don’t need to convince you. Reality will do it for me anyway.

          • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            please explain. me (and the nostr project) would love to hear your criticism.

            also, relays are free to implement further anti-spam measures: captcha, email, phone, payment, …

            • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
              11·
              1 year ago

              No. I literally don’t have time to deconstruct this for you now. I suggest you open a dedicated thread for this discussion on one of the communities speaking about the fediverse and ask for people’s opinions. I’m sure you’ll get a lot of people to debate this with.

              • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                22·
                1 year ago

                cheap excuse. there is nothing to “deconstruct” here. you can implement exactly the same anti-spam measures in a nostr relay.

                i guess your problem is: you dont like competition. when i can host all the content from “your” relay, but with better moderation, then users will prefer my relay.

                i see this stupid mindset all over the “warez scene”. “my release”, “my content”, “my profit”… for fucks sake, you people just as stupid as the people who write copyright laws… the only question is: stupid or evil? scriptkiddie or CIA?

                now you can ban me to prove my point : D

                edit: also, you seem to have a problem with free speech. looking at your modlog, where you ban people for “Misogyny” or “transphobia” or “condescending”. literally, this is worse than reddit.

                • SnowOneKnows@fixate.social
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  @milahu @db0 my issue with nostr is it seems to be another private “network” while activity pub has issues it at least lets me talk on mastodon/lemmy/kbin and see posts from all those services.

                  and I can freely move my account from one instance to another one if needed than migrate back home even.

                  and for privacy in small groups you can even implement your own peer to peer encryption so DMs remain private between trusted sources.

                  • milahu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                    3·
                    1 year ago

                    Have you ever listened to an argument — perhaps it was generously titled a ‘debate’ by the participants — wherein each and every manoeuvre attempted by either of the participants amounted to little more than the attempt to assert one’s ego, show off one’s supposed knowledge and dominate the other in a flashy display of rhetorical proficiency? These are the debates to which we can barely listen for more than ten seconds without rolling our eyes and beginning to tune the combatants out, because this is precisely what they are: fighters, in the ring, trying to barbarically destroy the other person for personal glory and the vindication of a childish sort of rivalry founded on the belief in the superiority of oneself. It is, in many ways, rather pathetic to witness.

                    what? of course im fighting to win, because i have the technical skill to see how nostr is better than activitypub.

                    obviously you are fighting to protect your fragile public image, to keep your stupid followers, who lack the technical skill to see quality.

                    your rhetoric:

                    • “everything is fine”
                    • “its complicated”
                    • “that other thing is shit”, “misguided”, “wishful thinking”
                    • “i dont need to convince you”, “i dont have time”, “ask someone else”
                    • you ignore fundamental problems like vendor-lockin, abuse of power, the overblocking of free speech that you call “moderation”

                    all in all: a perfect reddit moderator, but definitely no alternative to reddit. as i said, just “more of the same” reddit abuse-of-power mainstream bullshit. byee!