Not sure if this is the right community, but I didn’t see a general one. What search engine do you use? Besides Google increasingly spying on its users, the quality of its search results seems to have gotten significantly worse over the last decade. What search engine(s) do you use?
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Does anyone care to explain the possible reason for downvoting this - is there something I am not aware of wrt DDG?
It’s based on Bing from what I recall, and it’s not necessarily the most accurate engine. I tried it for a few months and couldn’t replace Google with it unfortunately.
Thank you for explaining! And now I am getting downvoted for asking an honest question, so that I can learn more, sheesh. Ignoring the fact for the moment that the Fediverse is becoming more Reddi-fied all the time… I appreciate you actually taking the time to answer.
I actually swap back and forth between Google and DDG. For things like local business hours, Image search and Maps, the former finds the better results. For a few things (that it may consider piracy?), Google refuses to find results even on page 10. For most other things, while the SEOs may not have entirely taken over, they at least have risen to an extremely annoying prominence.
e.g. try searching for the word “inspire”, and rather than offer you the dictionary definition, the top hit (for me right now) is the “Inspire” sleep apnea innovation - which nowhere is labelled as an advertisement:-(. I understand that the latter company would like to subvert the normal rules of politeness & etiquette and replace my prioritization so that their name appears at the very tippy-top of the search (possibly locally, or perhaps even world-wide?), but that doesn’t mean that that is what *I* wanted. Which is why more & more often these days I go to DDG first and then Google, rather than the other way around which is what I did until very recently.
But yeah, sometimes I do legit use Google search too.
And now I am getting downvoted for asking an honest question
Welcome to programming.dev! 😂I’ve had the same happen (technical issue, looking for a solution or workaround, get downvoted). I take it as “I’m not interested in this - don’t ever show me anything about this again” - well, just scroll on by then, not hard. 🙄
‘Honest inquiries are not desired here’, or like ‘You should have researched it yourself first’ or some such. Also do not make the mistake of expressing a personal preference for anything other than using Arch Linux btw:-P.
I can’t even recall the last time I downvoted something. It’s measured in weeks rather than hours though. On the one hand: to each their own, but on the other, people are so short-sighted they don’t see how that acts to stifle conversations - like a personal preference is just that, personal, and for something like this OP, a disagreement expressed via text comment can explain something, and we all (people receiving & offering it & bystanders) can learn from it, whereas a downvote can’t even be traced to who offered it atm (except on Kbin). So it’s frustrating to have to guess - like is DDG really a bad search engine? Then say that!? And how is it bad? Explanations add to the conversation, while downvoting just seems so… lazy.
I can’t even recall the last time I downvoted something
I’ve downvoted things which I know are wrong (people love expressing opinions on things they have no expertise on - just check out the threads on order of operations! 😂), and upvote correct things (the whole point to up/downvote is to push relevant things to the top), otherwise neither usually. Sometimes I use upvote to indicate I liked something someone said.
just seems so… lazy
Yep.
It’s true that down-voting is a form of information, in some contexts. I could even say “Who wants tacos today? Up-vote if yes, down-vote if no”, and it could be fully friendly. It is just that here, in this situation, I didn’t get it.
Ofc it’s this huge tangent from the OP b/c originally there was just a single down-vote, and I was curious if I were missing something wrt DDG, but it sounds like not, just “sometimes people prefer to use Google”. Which sounds like it would apply to every non-Google suggestion though?
And then my asking that meta-question quadrupled the number of down-votes - probably like you said, people consider this tangent not relevant to the OP - but at least as a result of it all I know I am not missing anything important… that anyone is willing to write out:-D. Which seems important, crucial even, info for OP and others to have? About the down-sides to DDG I mean.
But look how many words and messages we had to use and even number of respondents had to participate just to dig out that truth. Even a comment like “you suck, nerd!” - aside from its unfriendliness & irrelevance to the discussion - does act to disambiguate the reasoning behind a down-vote, whereas simply down-voting with no explanation sends a confusing signal with no clear interpretation (except perhaps in the mind of the sender).
This is why I may pile on the downvotes, to signal agreement, but if I am the first to take that initiative, I do at least take the time to reply so they aren’t left wondering why.
Remember the human, and all of that:-).
I agree, unfortunately. The only reason I stick with ddg over Google is because, unlike Google, they don’t smother me with captchas the moment I enter a VPN.
DuckDuckGo
I used to have to put !g (redirect to Google) on like half my searches to get the results I wanted. These days, I actually generally prefer DDG’s results over Google’s.
Same, especially on image searches… but Google’s quality has plummeted to a point Bing is better… how the mighty has fallen.
Many tests have proven that Bing is the best search engine for porn. They know their target audience.
I use DDG too. When I redirect to google using !g it’s usually out of desperation and it gives me the same bad results in a slightly different order.
I use this on my phone. It’s gotten pretty great!
Searxng
I’m just annoyed by the regions issues, you’ll get pretty biased results depending in what region you select.
If you try to search for something specific to a region with other selected you’ll find sometime empty results, which shows you won’t get relevant results about a search if you don’t properly select the region.Probably this is more obvious with non technical searches, for example my default region is canada-en and if I try “instituto nacional electoral” I only get a wiki page, an international site and some other random sites with no news, only when I change the region I get the official page ine.mx and news. For me this means kagi hides results from other regions instead of just boosting the selected region’s ones.
Yeah that drives me nuts too. Shopping results for fuckin Home Depot? I’m in Europe you stupid search engine
And searching for a german word always brings up dictionaries from german to english, instead of Wikipedia etc.
I’m using kagi as well and have been very pleased with it.
Their scumbag CEO really soured kagi for me
Explain? I haven’t heard anything negative
I am not affiliated with the writer in any way.
This is one person rambling about stuff she’s hypothesising
“They didn’t pay sales tax for the first couple of years”
Do you even know how small businesses get off the ground in Europe? Possibly by being exempt from taxes until their profits are high enough?
Says their financial information is impossible to find, then starts telling us exactly what that information is
This is the same as people watching a YouTube channel and just assuming it’s gospel because they watch that channel a lot smh
It’s enough to put a bad taste in my mouth, it ended up on HN if you want to read some more critical commentary (of kagi and of the blogger)
if you want to read some more critical commentary
What I read was a measured and reasoned reply from one of the founders to a small handful of keyboard warriors 😂
I don’t get why “scumbag”.
The blogger shitted on his company, and refuse to hear any explanation from the CEO, if anything, I find him very patient.
I read that when it was originally posted and it just comes across as a one-sided account from someone pissed about something, with no actual thought about the situation put into it.
Searxng.
Kagi. I like it
I just started using this and am still in the trial period but I will definitely be paying for it when my 100 free searches are gone. So many top results are exactly what I’m looking for. I can’t believe my expectations have been conditioned to the point where this surprises me…
Yea it hasn’t disappointed me so far, I’m also still in the trial, been waiting for a search that turns crap results on G and DDG to try and put it through the paces. Though compared to G it is nice not having half the results be sponsored.
I’ve heard enough bad things about it to stay well away. Which is too bad bc it’s quite good atm! I just expect it to hoover up my data & get enshittified sooner than later & the CEO is Musk-level BSer 🤷♂️👍
What have you heard and where? I’ve not seen anything that indicates either of those things
I don’t know about beefbot, but this blog convinced me to not use kagi:
Oh really? I never felt like that was convincing in any way especially since lot of the stuff in that blog is just uninformed (for example you don’t have to pay taxes in many jurisdictions until you hit a certain threshold)
I’m not gonna try to convince you to use Kagi, but I just don’t feel like that blog is full of good reasons not to.
Correct, it was that blog And “Slimy_4og” you sound like one of the many disinformation AI bots farting around now
“You disagree with me so therefore you’re an AI bot” sure is a take…
I had someone say that to me, a Maths teacher, when I was trying to tell them where they were going wrong with their Maths! 😂And they were a programmer - no wonder all the e-calcs are wrong… (sigh)
Well, it’s plausible you’ve ingested enough influence from enough propaganda sources that you yourself believe what they’ve told you, & you parrot it back out, which sorta makes you, in the limited context of one comment, functionally indistinguishable from a propaganda worker, who probably has been replaced by an AI bot bc those can do more of that work.
So ya can’t really blame me for the shorthand of just referring to you as one, yknow?
I use Ecosia, it plants trees with the profits from its ad revenue! Results are sourced from Bing and Google.
I use my own self hosted SearXNG.
Why the -ng-?
It’s a better fork of SearX
Same, it’s super simple with Docker and you don’t even need to fiddle with ports or anything. I should probably try running it at my work PC now that I think of it… Anyway, duckduckgo has been good to me for all these years.
How much ram does the container use on average?
Around 100 megas, iirc. Try it out!
I run a “public” instance with basic auth so I can use it from anywhere (phone, work). I’ve made my instance my default search engine everywhere. (I know basic auth is not the most secure but I wouldn’t even really care it other people used my instance; I just don’t want it hammered.)
Let me know if you find one that uses AI to find groupings of my search terms in its catalogues instead of using AI to reduce my search to the nearest common searches made by others, over some arbitrary popularity threshold.
Theoretical search: “slip banana peel 1980s comedy movie”
Expected results in 2010: Pages about people slipping on banana peels, mostly in comedy movies, mostly from the 80s.
Expected results in 2024: More than I ever wanted to know about buying bananas online, the health impacts of eating too many or not enough bananas, and whatever “celebrities” have recently said something about them. Nothing about movies from the 80s.slip banana peel 1980s comedy movie
DDG results weren’t too bad, although repetitious and focused on the history of the gag, and not particular examples.
The first result on Kagi search is this list which shows the movie years in parentheses so you can easily skip through just the ones from the 1980s. The other search results are more about the gag itself - first use of it by Charlie Chaplin, etc.
Per Brave:
slip banana peel 1980s comedy movie
The classic comedy gag of slipping on a banana peel has been a staple in entertainment for decades. In the 1980s, this gag was featured in several comedy movies. One notable example is the 1983 film “Trading Places” starring Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd. In the movie, a character played by Jamie Lee Curtis slips on a banana peel, leading to a series of comedic events.
Another example is the 1985 film “The Sure Thing” starring John Cusack and Daphne Zuniga. In this movie, a character played by John Cusack slips on a banana peel while trying to impress a girl, leading to a series of awkward and humorous moments.
The banana peel gag has also been featured in several other 1980s comedy movies, including “The Blues Brothers” (1980) and “Caddyshack” (1980). These films showcase the enduring popularity of this comedic trope and its ability to bring laughter and entertainment to audiences.
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To add, second result in Brave:
https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=slipping-on-a-banana-peel
Kagi:
Quick Answer
Based on the available information, the “slipping on a banana peel” gag has been a staple of comedy films since the early 20th century. The first known appearance of this gag on the big screen was in the Charlie Chaplin movie “By the Sea”, where Chaplin’s character “The Tramp” tosses a banana peel on the ground and then slips on it later. [1][2]
The banana peel gag was soon adopted by other silent film stars like Buster Keaton, who featured it in his 1928 film “The Cameraman”. [3] The gag continued to be used in comedy films throughout the 20th century, including in the 1926 Harold Lloyd film “For Heaven’s Sake”. [4]
However, the available information does not mention any specific 1980s comedy movies that featured the banana peel gag. The gag seems to have been more prevalent in the silent film era and earlier decades of the 20th century. [1][5]
- The Origin of the “Slipping on a Banana Peel” Comedy Gag
- Chaplin and the first banana peel slip in film history - YouTube
- Buster Keaton slips on a banana peel in The Cameraman (1928)
- Slipping on a banana peel - 3 versions of the classic joke - YouTube
- How Did Slipping on a Banana Peel Become a Comedy
DuckDuckGo as a default with Google as fallback depending on what I’m looking for. For lemmy the default search of my instance works well enough so haven’t tried external engines.
Pro tip: if you add !g to your search results in DuckDuckGo, it returns Google results
Yeah that’s what I usually do
Same. I have had particularly poor results on image searches from duckduckgo. It’s on par or superior to Google for general web searches, but man, Google image search is still better
I’m mainly using duckduckgo for 7 years now. If I can’t find something with it, I try startpage, which sometimes helps.
I run my own searxng instance. It’s amazing.
I also spun up my own yacy instance. It was pretty terrible. It could be good, but you would need a pretty beefy machine with a lot of storage and a lot of time for it to index for it to be anything approaching good.
Somehow I’ve never heard of searxng before. Would you say it’s better than DDG? Are the memory requirements not too high?
Searxng is a search engine aggregator. It sends your search out to all the engines and aggregates the results. No ads, no bullshit, endlessly customizable.
You can use one of the public instances. You don’t have to run your own.
Ecosia. These days it’s better than Google.
Which isn’t better than Google these days? They dropped immensly in quality.
Kagi. I haven’t had a failed search results in months, and when I do google can’t find it either so I haven’t lost anything.
Yesterdsy I stumbled over this: www.mojeek.com Apparently has its own index.
this is correct 😀
Mama, look at me. I’m talking to a .com-owner!!
You are awesome for providing an alternative. Would you mind letting me know what’s the average monthly cost running your infrastructure and if you are paying it as individuals ?
